Danny
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dphhchondro |
Kofiau: yellow and green? |
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I was wondering, chondros from this area (Kofiau) are sometimes known as Canaries because of their color. But not all chondros from that area are yellow, are they? I think I've seen an ad for a Kofiau that was green for sale and that really threw me off. And Canaries don't always produce all yellow babies do they?
ChondroHead
Danny 4.3.1 GTPs and 11 other reptiles... Addicted doesn't even begin to describe me... STEVE IRWIN RULES! |
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mls1981 |
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There seems to be a little confusion about this locale.
I currently have 1.1 kafiau and both are currently yellow and about 18months old. One of them started to turn green when i got him, at which point i realised he had an RI after he was fixed he turned yellow again. I have also seen full grown adults that were green with a blue dorsal stripe. I believe they all start off as yellow and some turn green some stay yellow, some turn back and all of them vary from time to time with shedding etc. i hope sometime in the future we can figure out why. |
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SpruceNubbleFarm |
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We've looked at these quite a bit - considering how they might fit in with our carpondro breeding actually - but this "stay yellow" thing is a big issue. In talking with lots of folks I think it is fair to say that a minority of these animals stay yellow into adulthood and the mechanisms are not understood (nor will they be for many years). Generally all the good breeders I have talked with about this are painfully clear with potential buyers that these are not the "stay yellow chondro" some folks think they are.
The more typical story is having paid large for an critter that turns green - this is an amazing locality type regardless but if you want a yellow adult animal you have to buy it as such...and even then it might change. Had an intriguing chat with a buddy recently. 20 generations of colubrids = 20 years, maybe 25. 20 generations of GTP's = 100 years or more We barely understand anything about these animals, have much less generation experience than with other herps over the same time frame, and they have what are clearly very very complex factors. Take Care, Ross Spruce Nubble Farm, Inc. - Green Tree Pythons, Carpet Pythons, Carpondros, Kinkajous, Horses www.SpruceNubbleFarm.com 69 Spruce Nubble Road Strong, ME 04983 (207)-684-3539 eFax: (512)-853-3820 |
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spataro87 |
Canaries/Kofiau etc... | ||
![]() ![]() ![]() As stated above there are still more to learn about these chondros but having worked with them for several years and currently raising two clutches from last year I have observed several things thus far. The first picture is of a pair of canaries that are still yellow and I have several adults who retain this color currently. These bright yellow canaries will have individual green scales come and go and the blue on the pattern of the back will get more intense after feedings and sheds. Second is a photo of a yellow adult canary that changed to this color and fluctuates between this and the color of a dirty bird. The color changes is random but happens mostly around the times as stated above. I have seen this female change almost completely back to the original canary color. The third is a canary male breeding a dirtybird female. The dirtybird changes from this chartruse color to a dull yellow as well. These three color morphs are the ones I have seen and own the most. People have sent me pics of adults that are really deep green with blue stripes and hardly any yellow undertones. I own known of these but recognize them. All of my hatchlings from both clutches were all yellow. Rico, Mark Leshock, and Jim Vargin also experienced the same with their hatchlings. The female pictured in Greg Maxwell's book is probably the oldest female in the country, approx. 6+ years and looks exactly as she does in those pictures to date. This year will hopefully continue our knowledge on this type, I have several gravid females of all three kinds as well as crosses to several other different locals and one to a GM yellow calico. One more note hatchlings seem to have very little pattern, and what pattern is present is usually just down the back wth little to no red flecking throughout the body. I will post a pic of a hatchling next go around. Marc |
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spataro87 |
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spataro87 |
canary hatchling/ almost yearling | ||
![]() Canary hatchling photo note the reduced pattern on this one. The rest of the clutch mates as well as the other clutch also have this similar pattern. There were no unusual patterns that made one hatchling stand out from another. Marc |
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dphhchondro |
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What if both parents are yellow? does the neos have a higher chance of being yellow? I'm wondering because I'm about to purchase Kofiau (supposedly from Canary parents) and I don't want all that money spent just to get a green one...
So should I ask for my deposit back then... ChondroHead
Danny 4.3.1 GTPs and 11 other reptiles... Addicted doesn't even begin to describe me... STEVE IRWIN RULES! |
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spataro87 |
hatchling purchase | ||
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If I were going to purchase a hatchling from this local I would request a photo of the parents, a current photo of the parents, have the breeder take the picture of the snake with a reference such as news week or time magazine beside the snake showing how current the picture is. I beleive that if both parents have retained their yellow color and have produced hatchlings your chances of having higher yellow animals is greater. The genetics are still not understood so this is all just hypothesis, hopefully the next five years will explain the mystery to these chameleon like chondros.
Marc |
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jkriske(d) |
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Ari Flagle hatched out two red babies from his canaries.
www.moreliapythons.com/fo...php?t=9968 It was pretty surprising! |
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dphhchondro |
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I have seen a picture of the Dam and she is yellow. I did not see the Sire. I'm just worried that the neos would not turn yellow when it grows up.
ChondroHead
Danny 4.3.1 GTPs and 11 other reptiles... Addicted doesn't even begin to describe me... STEVE IRWIN RULES! |
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dphhchondro |
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I know that they Canaries go thru changes, same as normal Chondros. I'm not really surprised to see or hear of red Canary babies... I just thought that they all end up yellow.
ChondroHead
Danny 4.3.1 GTPs and 11 other reptiles... Addicted doesn't even begin to describe me... STEVE IRWIN RULES! |
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