Just wondering if anyone has had any success feeding chondro's chicks as opposed to mice? Is this a viable alternative to mice?
Stuart
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sjm27 |
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Hi
Just wondering if anyone has had any success feeding chondro's chicks as opposed to mice? Is this a viable alternative to mice? Stuart |
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clalli |
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Stuart,
Why do want to feed chicks? I would not feed chicks for the following reasons: 1) They often cause the snake to have very messy bowel movements. 2) Live chicks are heavily parisitized. 3) Studies have shown that GTPs in the wild mainly prey on arboreal mammals not birds. 4) The avian bird flu scare. 5) Frozen chicks are somewhat harder to come by then mice, rats, etc. With that said, it is perfectly acceptable to use chick down to sent a mouse/rat for those tough feeders. I also have a male that will not eat anything that is thawed in water, but if you let it thaw at room temperature wham! Also try fresh killed verse frozen thawed, or mix it up with a rat pup; sometimes a different scent is all that is needed. If you have a problematic feeder, post the situation and we will see if we can help. Chris Lalli |
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Kim Burge |
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I whole heartedly agree with what Chris has said, Stuart. Rodents are a much better food source than chicks. Are you having any feeding problems?
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chondrogarth |
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I see there is no problem with feeding chick's to any reptile (even chondro's).
All reptiles are opertunist feeders, so if it be a bird, mammal, amphibian or even another reptile that passes by and is on there diet list then they will not refuse to eat it. Personally i feed chick's to all of my live stock once every 8-10 feed, as i delieve it has other denifit's. #1, it add's variety to the diet (rather than just eating the some old thing, week in week out for the rest of your life) #2, and it also help's clean out the digestive track, which is alway's a good thing with chondro's. I use Quail chick's for smaller animal's and full grown Quail for grown on animals. |
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clalli |
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Chondros get all the nutritional requirements they need from a diet of mice or rats. I personnally feed mice because their fat content is less than that of rats.
Chondros are not human and do not need a variety in their diet. Sure, reptiles are opportunistic feeders in the wild, but there is a big difference between wild and captive bred. A chondro might "pluck" a gecko in the wild, but you will not catch me feeding them to any snake in my collection because they often have heavy parasite loads. Messy stools can put strain on their bowels, which can lead to prolapses. There are much better options to deal with constipation. As you can tell, I disagree on feeding chicks to any chondro that is readily accepting mice or rats. In terms of a problematic feeder, I would try all other options before feeding a chick. In my opinion, the cons of feeding a chick greatly outnumber the pros. Chris Lalli |
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IRONHEAD272 |
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I agree with you there Chris. The most compelling reason being the parasites that go along with chicks. My position would be WHY. Why would you want to feed chicks to a chondro who is accustomed to eating rats or mice. Another thing to consider is that once you put a chondro on chicks, or lizards, you will probably not be able to change the diet in the future. It seems once they get a taste for something different, that is all she wrote.
I would definitly have to say I'm against giving chicks to chondros. Bob |
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chondrogarth |
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I have NEVER ! experienced any problem's with feeding chick's to any of my live stock. Even the Chondro's, they all exept there normal diet of large mice or small rats' without any problem's as alway's.
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Keith Thompson |
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Here are a few thoughts on my experiences with feeding birds:
Years back when working with wild caught chondros, about a third would not accept rodents. All would accept birds. This always led me to believe that birds were being taken in the wild, although admittedly this is an assumption. The favorable feeding response towards birds seemed to have more to do with movement than scent. I doubt that chicks are any more likely to be parasitized than rodents. If you are talking about the common day old chicks typically purchased, their parents are raised in sterile stacked cages where they lay eggs that are hatched in sterile incubators and fed grain until they are boxed up and shipped. Parasites are simply not a problem. You might have an increased risk of salmonella. Day old chicks nutritionally are pretty much a wash. Theres just not much there. Nutritionally, rodents would be much better. Older birds such as Coturnix quail would be different. While chondros do fine on a full time diet of rodents, I wouldnt take the leap to state that while humans benefit from a varied diet, reptiles do not. All species probably would gain some benefit from a varied diet. It is probably better to vary / manipulate the diet of the rodents than the reptile. Ive noticed over the years that different diets will cause more or less weight gain than others. For instance, a neonate fed a pinky once a week will stay at a reasonable weight. A neonate that is fed frogs can eat almost a frog daily from hatch for months at a time and stay at the same weight as the neonate that is fed pinkies weekly. Adult birds and rodents result in approximately the same weight gain. Ive seen w.c. adults that would not take rodents that were fed pigeon squabs. A chondro that eats squabs puts on an immense amount of weight very quickly. One squab a month will keep an adult female chondro very chunky. A wc chondro that has laid eggs and fed on a couple of squabs gains back all the weight she may have lost in the laying / incubating process almost immediately. I have no experience with feeding day old chicks to chondros and so cannot make any observations regarding stools. I have noticed that feeding adult or near adult birds has not caused any increase in unusual stools in animals that I have observed. I have also noticed that a chondro that is feeding nicely on rodents will not automatically become stuck on birds if fed an occasional bird. I would be afraid that a steady diet of birds might well cause a chondro to prefer birds and began refusing rodents. All in all, rodents that have been fed a good diet are always the preferred food. You might have an excellent source for Coturnix quail, but consider the fact that if your chondro eats only quail, you are probably stuck with it in the event you ever wanted to let it go. Not everyone else will be able to continue the same diet. Please dont take any of these comments to assume that I am recommending feeding chicks, frogs, quail, monkeys or anything else to chondros. These are only some observations that I have made over the years. Just a story: I knew a person with a neonate Burmese python that was a very picky eater and would take only quail chicks. The owner had a good and very cheap source for quail, so he fed it quail. All was fine for awhile. At the point where it took about 10 quail to fill up his growing reptile he knew that he had a problem. Meals were now not so cheap. I think he eventually solved |
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chondrogarth |
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Thank you Keith,
I too have heard this problem with Burmese getting hooked on chick's. I think it's the people who don't have the time and patience who are to blame for this. They just think that it's gonna be a large animal so if that's what it want's then that's what i'll give it. Back in November last year we were given a albino Burm that weighed in at just over 91 pound's and topped 16 feet in lenght. I was then informed that this animal was only 36 month's old. So i insisted that she would be going on a diet. Two week's later she was dead ! After being examined by the vet, she had had a massive heart attack. |
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Boa |
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give chicks to chondros?
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Marquez |
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Number 5, alive?!
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