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web wheeler	"Freeky"	Lead	[-]
Posts: 13 (06/15/05 05:06:52) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None I recently hatched a batch of Chondro Eggs using artificial incubation techniques. Something occurred during the gestation/incubation process that caused some severe developmental abnormalities. Out of a group of 29 eggs, 1 died in the egg as a fully developed embryo, 4 were born with severe spinal deformities which had to be euthanized, 3 were born with only one eye, and 2 were born with no eyes. All the others are normal. Here is a link to my website with incubation details and more pictures: Aqua-Terra-Vita Chondro With No Eyes
Shiloh Hawkesworth	Re: "Freeky"	#1	[-]
Posts: 184 (06/15/05 07:33:47) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	if you can get them to eat i;m sure some scientists would be thrilled to use the ones with no eyes for tests that involve the snakes sense's such as heat pits... i hear they did an awesome talk at the symposium last febuary about heat pits... they had a burmese with no eyes and they did alot of cool tested to show how alert he was... unles you want to keep them i would suggest trying to figure out who was doing that talk and see if he woudl like them... i think its kinda cool in a weird way, but i woudl not want something like that in my collection... nice babies though. congrats on the clutch... is this your first??? Shiloh As Archimedes said when he discovered the principal of displacement.... Eureka!
sbcbig1	Re: "Freeky"	#2	[-]
Posts: 134 (06/15/05 12:27:35) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Thats really interesting. I disagree Shiloh, I would LOVE to have a no-eyes chondro in my collection. I wish i was in a position to make an offer!!!! -Jay
Marcial	Re: "Freeky"	#3	[-]
Posts: 1000 (06/15/05 12:46:23) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I have hatched a one-eyed chondro myself... from what I hear this is an incubation related problem (ie not genetic). The one I hatched turned out to be one of the nicest ones in the clutch (or course), and I am happy to have him in the collection. Marcial Mendez marcialmendez@hotmail.com Chondrolicious
Shiloh Hawkesworth	Re: "Freeky"	#4	[-]
Posts: 184 (06/15/05 13:11:08) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	i did not mean do come across as being rude in the comment... i was just saying i wouldn't want one... but after reading thats its not genetic i guess i wouldn't care either way... its going to be stunning as an adult either way... marcial how big is your now??? pic?? Shiloh As Archimedes said when he discovered the principal of displacement.... Eureka!
Julian Garcia	Re: "Freeky"	#5	[-]
Posts: 873 (06/15/05 15:04:30) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I hear the eye in a chondro is the first thing to develop. Maybe something happened early on in the incubation process? Very curious.
tupperwarezoo	Re: "Freeky"	#6	[-]
Posts: 17 (06/15/05 15:54:13) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Has it been proven that a lack of eyes is inheritable in pythons? I wouldn't want to prove it but rather disprove it , but that would require breeding for a trait no would would truly want to propogate. I mean I recall albino boas with "screwy eye conditions.
Marcial	Re: "Freeky"	#7	[-]
Posts: 1000 (06/15/05 16:00:42) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	he looks a bit different now, but here's a pic from a few months ago. sorry for the large size. Marcial Mendez marcialmendez@hotmail.com Chondrolicious
Max Moro	Re: "Freeky"	#8	[-]
Posts: 291 (06/15/05 17:42:53) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I'm not exactly sure what you plan on doing with all the single and eyeless chondros. However, I do know that Dr Michael Grace does many experiments with thermal sensing capabilities in snakes, particularly pit vipers and pythons...If you are considering putting them down, I would first contact Dr Grace to see if they could be put to some kind of use ...I would email Mark Twigg at mark@arborealsplus.com ...Take care!!! Best wishes, Max
web wheeler	Re: "Freeky"	#9	[-]
Posts: 13 (06/15/05 19:43:36) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I'm just going to take things one step at a time. First, try to get them eating on their own, and then make some decisions. I do know that I'm going to keep one of the Chondros with no eyes myself - just as a "pet". I agree with one of the previous posters that the problems I had probably occurred early in the gestation or incubation process. Does anyone know at what stage, in the early development of GTP eggs, the eyes and spinal cord begin to develop? I would like to determine if this was a gestation or incubation problem.
greg schroeder	Re: "Freeky"	#10	[-]
Posts: 82 (06/17/05 07:50:30) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Congratulations on the hatch. I'm glad you have a pile of perfect animals to go with the slightly blemished. Here are some of my thoughts. The eye of the embryo begins well before oviposition. For reason of eye and spinal deformity I might consider sudden upward temperature or even excessively high temperature near time of fertilization and shortly into development. If a gravid snake is coiled on a perch with a heat lamp just above, only a portion of the eggs will be exposed to the highest heat as the eggs are positioned by length of the snake. Eggs within the snake coiled below the perch will be at the lower heat. Eggs coiled on the top side of the perch will be exposed to the highest heat. Embryo day 2 WWJD

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