HI I am artaficaly incubating some chondro eggs at the moment. They have 14 days incubation left, they all look good but none of them are denting in yet. Is
this a cause for concern? Thanks Chris Johnson
Eggs not denting in?
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Posts: 2 (03/29/08 11:54:28) |
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Posts: 1453 (03/29/08 14:33:58) ezOP |
How is your ventilation? The eggs will be expelling moisture during this time and may need a little more ventilation that you're providing. What is your
set up like? Pics would be great.
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Posts: 3 (03/30/08 03:53:51) |
The eggs are in containers with two mesh covered 3" holes in the top. I am using a converted fridge incubator, in which the humidity outside the
containers is at 60-65%.
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Posts: 129 (03/30/08 05:23:02) |
Thermostat probe placement?
Thermostat set temp? What day are you on now?
Greg Stephens
gstephens_1@clearviewcatv.net I lost JB's watch!!!!! I have big steel pole envy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was told ,"By the way.........plastic is plastic - I've been in the cancer field for 20+ years now and I've never had a patient get cancer from burning plastic!" I had to ask my self what was this guy thinking!! 
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chrisj565 |
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Posts: 4 (04/01/08 01:33:39) |
The thermostats probe is outside the egg box directly next to it and set to 88.7 inside the egg box. Today i am on day forty of incubation.
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Posts: 146 (04/01/08 10:20:16) |
Chris
I have had python eggs appear to look like they aren't denting....until I pick them up and look on the bottom of the eggs. Are you using substrate? or no substrate? Buddy B |
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Posts: 130 (04/01/08 15:17:53) |
Chris,
Your eggs should be getting ready to dent and as Buddy said they may be denting in on the bottom. Some other things that may be happening are if you RH is super high the eggs will take longer to dent, if you are using a substrate and it is still on the damp side the eggs will take longer to dent. What kind of stat are you using and what are you measuring the temp with inside the egg box with? If you stat or thermometer are off your eggs could just be lagging behind several days. As an example in my set up I run 87.1 main chamber temps and about 100% RH completely saturated. My eggs are on day 36 and have just started to fog up my egg boxes, meaning they are emitting water and heat. With a high RH my eggs will not really start denting until day 42, and may not dent much at all. My last clutch that hatched 3/5/08 had light to moderate denting at day 53 when they began to pip. Hope that helps!
Greg Stephens
gstephens_1@clearviewcatv.net I lost JB's watch!!!!! I have big steel pole envy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was told ,"By the way.........plastic is plastic - I've been in the cancer field for 20+ years now and I've never had a patient get cancer from burning plastic!" I had to ask my self what was this guy thinking!!
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Posts: 5 (04/09/08 01:47:39) |
Hi I haven't been able to get onto this site for a few days, but my eggs are now on day 47 and they have been dented for the last 3-4 days. What i am
wondering now is do i still pip the eggs on day 49 or wait?
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Posts: 1486 (04/09/08 05:59:02) ezOP |
There are a lot of different opinions on the topic of pipping. Personally, I wait until the first baby pips on it's own before I consider cutting into them. Both of my previous clutches I've used the 1-5-1 temp method and have had one baby pip on day 49 each time. I wait until later that evening or within the next 24hrs to pip the rest. They usually take several days to all emerge. So, I'm a pip-er and since I haven't had any ill effects from it I will continue to do so because I'm concerned about full term deaths from egg shells being too tough to break through after being artificially incubated. Funny thing is that after all the stressful work pipping them, they usually end up cutting their own slice to come out of! |
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Posts: 132 (04/09/08 07:58:58) |
Chris,
I second Kim's thought with the TW/EB 1-5-1 method I was very sure pipping on day 49 was a good thing but using one temp through out incubation. Tends to lead to 52 to 55 day hatches, so waiting for the 1st egg to pip it's self woulf be my recomendation. As I mentioned before my last clutch pipped on day 53 with 87.1 as a main chamber incubator temp. I would also like to add that the amount of eggs per egg box can alter pipping dates as well. I had ten eggs in one box and five in the other, the five eggs in box two where pipped by me on day 53 but did not emerge until late in the day on day 55 while all thier clutch mates in box on emerged on day's 53 & 54. Best of luck man.
Greg Stephens
gstephens_1@clearviewcatv.net I lost JB's watch!!!!! I have big steel pole envy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was told ,"By the way.........plastic is plastic - I've been in the cancer field for 20+ years now and I've never had a patient get cancer from burning plastic!" I had to ask my self what was this guy thinking!!
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Posts: 6 (04/10/08 11:09:45) |
Hi, thanks for your help! I forgot to mention i used the variable temp regimen. First 86 then 88.7 then, and at the moment 85.5. I am now on day 48 and nothing
has pipped yet, i thought i would pip tommorrow evening, when hopefully others will have already pipped, better still i find they have all done it themselves!
I take it you would agree on this?
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Posts: 133 (04/11/08 03:44:22) |
Chris the ideal thing is for them to pip them selves but as long as you know you temp monitoring equipment is
accurate and consistent. You would be fine pipping either on day 49 late in the evening prior to heading off to bed or day 50. One thing to watch for are scratch marks on the eggs, where a neonate is or has tried to pip. If you see the later pip the clutch. Best of luck and I am on day 45 or 46 of a strait bake incubation so I feel your pain. 
Greg Stephens
gstephens_1@clearviewcatv.net I lost JB's watch!!!!! I have big steel pole envy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was told ,"By the way.........plastic is plastic - I've been in the cancer field for 20+ years now and I've never had a patient get cancer from burning plastic!" I had to ask my self what was this guy thinking!!
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Posts: 7 (04/11/08 06:21:52) |
Hi, i couldn't be sure it is 100% accurate. If it isn't, i take it day 49 would be too soon? Im not sure now when to pip?
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Posts: 125 (04/11/08 06:58:38) |
Although I am a proponent of manually pipping, I don't see any reason to commence doing so unless you are certain of the time line you are working with due
to your incubation method/temps, etc. There is no reason I'm aware of to pip eggs early. In your case I agree with the others and think that it would be
best to wait at least until you see attempts by the neos to try and hatch. If you are truly concerned and don't want to wait, you can carefully pip one
egg, fold back the flap and take a peek at what's going on inside, but I wouldn't do so before day 49. If you're sure you're looking at a day
49 hatch date then there should be no harm done in pipping one to see exactly where you stand. But, ideally, I'd wait for one to pip on its own. Or, in
the least, to see attempts of hatching. On the other hand you naturally don't want to wait indefinitely either, which leads back to manually pipping just
one on the evening of day 49 if you really are concerned. Best of luck.
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Posts: 8 (04/11/08 09:45:23) |
Well as i said it is day 49 today, so whilst looking at the eggs i noticed that one that had an area of poor calcification and therfore had a slightly clear
patch, i could see the yellow neo so i decided to pip it and indeed the neo was bright yellow, so i take it, full term, i touched it with the scissors and it
twitched. Going by this i pipped the rest of the clutch and as with that one they are all fully pigmented and alive! They are now in a hatch tub at 85 and i
hope to see the neos emerge in the next 24-48 hrs. Thanks for all your advice and also a big thank you to Greg and his brilliant books, as they have guided me
through this, my first clutch.
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Posts: 126 (04/11/08 09:50:50) |
Be sure to take lots of pics, it's an awesome sight to see them coming out of the eggs! Please post some too so the rest of us can "ooh" and
"ahh" over them.
Cheers, Christian |
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Posts: 9 (04/11/08 10:49:55) |
I would take pics but i was concerned that this may frighten them, i heard of some blood pythons that got startled by the camera and emerged from the egg
whilst the umbilical cord was still attached, pulling their intestines out. I cannot confirm this as i didn't see it but i think about it when i think of
taking pics.
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