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billzuk1	PANACUR	Lead	[-]
Posts: 26 (04/24/07 16:29:07) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Tags : None Hi everyone, I just wanted to ask your advice on panacur doseage.I have a tube of 25 gram paste of the Intervet brand.It is a thick paste and very difficult to get in a syringe.The only way is to add water.This leads up to my question.Is dilluting it with water the correct way to do it.Also,the vet gave me a vile for a previous incident and it was alot more watery and very easy to suck up into the syringe.She told me the stuff I have is a lot stronger than she has.She told me to be careful because the stuff I have is alot stronger of a dose.Her stuff is measured as 100mg/ml and my stuff is measured as 100mg/g.I am very illiterate when it comes to formulas like this.Can you help me get a better idea of what to do.Or is there a better brand well suited for the application.Any help is appreciated. I heard of people injecting it into f/t prey.It is ingested as the snake digests the prey.Is that a good idea.If so than I can probably use the paste I got,but in the correct dose.I heard mixed thoughts on doing it that way. Thanks much, Bill Z.
ChondroKeepers	Re: PANACUR	#1	[-]
Posts: 161 (04/24/07 16:50:29) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Sorry, Bill..I use the 10% liquid (100mg/ml). I find it easier to dose than the paste. You are correct in that the paste is MUCH stronger than the liquid...It would be difficult to dilute and get an accurate dosing. If you have a feed store, most sell liquid febendazole under the brand name SafeGuard (wormer for goats)..you can even get it on Ebay: Ebay listing Hope this helps....feel free to e-mail me if you have any questions... Angelina McHiggins ChondroKeepers What's up with all the damn penguins??
billzuk1	Re: PANACUR	#2	[-]
Posts: 26 (04/24/07 17:54:44) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Angela, Thanks alot.That is exactly what I needed.I have a few feed stores that sell that.I was hoping there was a solution.Your help is very much appreciated.
bigsnakes	Re: PANACUR	#3	[-]
Posts: 58 (04/25/07 04:36:38) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Most de-wormers need to actually come directly into contact with the lining of the stomach and intestines. Injecting it into food is not a very effective method of administration. If you are unable to dose the animal orally with a syringe, I would recommend coating the prey item rather than injecting into its body. Again this is not ideal. The best way is to directly administer the medication Also, check with your vet regarding the paste you have. The last time I checked 1.0 milliliters was approximately the equivalent of 1.0 grams. Therefore the concentration of the two items you referenced should be the same. I would second the use of the liquid. I have used the paste in the past and it is very difficult to tell how much you actually have in the syringe due to its opacity.
googo151	Re: PANACUR	#4	[-]
Posts: 1513 (04/25/07 08:45:50) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Hey, If not mistaken here, 1/1000th of a gram will contain 10 mg of the drug. A bit tricky to work with but possible. You can add water to the solution and draw it up into a syringe. Also, how old and how large or small, is the Chondro in question? -Angel Chondros are next to godliness!!
bigsnakes	Drug Calculation	#5	[-]
Posts: 58 (04/25/07 12:43:10) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Angel, I think your calculation is off. If the concentration of the Fenbendazole is 100mg/g then, 1.0ml = 1.0g = 100.0mg, therefore 10.0mg = 0.1g = 0.1ml The Exotic Animal Formulary 3rd Ed. by James W. Carpenter recommends 100mg/kg by mouth every 14 days. So if you have a 500g animal, you would need to administer 0.5ml per treatment. Hope that helps.
SpruceNubbleFarm	Re: Drug Calculation	#6	[-]
Posts: 88 (04/25/07 13:39:10) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	What you have there is the cattle product - and it is a bad idea to try and work with it. It is difficult to dilute it (with dextrose is best) and still have a consistent dosage per ml, despite all the shaking and stirring in the world...and even when diluted the actual dosage is hard with even a TB needle (a 1 ml syringe) 1st thing - is this a dose in response to evidnece of parasites (100 mg/kg) or is it just a preventative be safe dose (50 mg /kg). To deal with the fact panacur will not kill parasites at certian stages of their life cycle you need to treat again in 2 weeks. A loaded prey itme is the best way to administer the wormer and a good needle will help with that. Don't guess, you need a good scale to weigh your snake. Do the math slowly and carefully and have someone else check it. You need the product that matches your dosage, might be granules or inject or or - this link: www.vetmeddirect.com/sbsi...nbendazole is a good example of how many different ways it comes. All the best, Ross Spruce Nubble Farm, Inc. - Green Tree Pythons, Carpet Pythons, Carpondros, Kinkajous, Horses http://www.SpruceNubbleFarm.com 69 Spruce Nubble Road Strong, ME 04983 (207)-684-3539 eFax: (512)-853-3820
googo151	Re: Drug Calculation	#7	[-]
Posts: 1513 (04/25/07 19:58:40) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I agree, however, the way I wrote it, was as follow, and should have read for every one one/thousandth of a gram it will contain 10 mg. Wording should've been used rather than assuming the formula would be clear. However, the same results as you arrived at were the exact result I arrived at. Thanks for making it clearer! Angel Chondros are next to godliness!!

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