Annual Import Numbers http://chondroforum.yuku.com/topic/1883/t/Annual-Import-Numbers.html en-us Copyright 2006, Yuku feeds@yuku.com (FeedMaster) webmaster@yuku.com (WebMaster) Wed, 16 May 2007 14:41:18 GMT Tue, 29 May 2007 16:02:12 GMT Yuku Feeds 1.0 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 60 Yuku http://static.yuku.com//feed/bypass/images/button-yuku.png http://chondroforum.yuku.com/topic/1883/t/Annual-Import-Numbers.html Yuku - free hosted forums and profiles 88 31 {pics-1.1 "http://www.icra.org/ratingsv02.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (nz 1 vz 1 lz 1 oz 1 cz 1 ) "http://www.rsac.org/ratingsv01.html" l gen true for "http://yuku.com" r (n 0 s 0 v 0 l 0 )) Search Search Domain q http://yuku.com/search/direct/ <![CDATA[ Re: Annual Import Numbers ]]> http://chondroforum.yuku.com/reply/6586/t/Annual-Import-Numbers.html#reply-6586 :rollin
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]]> feeds@yuku.com (greg stephens2) http://chondroforum.yuku.com/sreply/6586 Tue, 29 May 2007 16:02:12 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Annual Import Numbers ]]> http://chondroforum.yuku.com/reply/6585/t/Annual-Import-Numbers.html#reply-6585
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As someone that has the double one year thing - guaranteed for a year and always in my posession for at least a year before sale, I don't consider myself a "reseller/broker" in the way I have understood the term in the last 20 years.


I just figured it out! I guess if you buy 100 lots of chondros from Bushmaster, keep them a year and give them a year guarantee you... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (John Romano) http://chondroforum.yuku.com/sreply/6585 Tue, 29 May 2007 10:54:10 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Annual Import Numbers ]]> http://chondroforum.yuku.com/reply/6584/t/Annual-Import-Numbers.html#reply-6584 I have never recieved a CITES II Captive Born Wildlife permit in less than 4-5 months. Hence, the 3-6 month reference.

The quote you provided from the form letter from USFW was only in part.
If you get your permit as you think than I will be certainly... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (taphillip) http://chondroforum.yuku.com/sreply/6584 Tue, 22 May 2007 16:27:19 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Annual Import Numbers ]]> http://chondroforum.yuku.com/reply/6583/t/Annual-Import-Numbers.html#reply-6583
But again, whether it is 5000 or 30,000, your point that all of these are not truly FB is a good one. There certainly is a difference between the 800 or whatever that are produced by the Terraria Indonesia farm that Kamuran imports from, and... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (cleve360) http://chondroforum.yuku.com/sreply/6583 Tue, 22 May 2007 14:45:32 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Annual Import Numbers ]]> http://chondroforum.yuku.com/reply/6582/t/Annual-Import-Numbers.html#reply-6582
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Ross I've read that document, and the two I cited, backwards and forwards, and can't find the data validity disclaimers that you mention.


Top of page 4 , section 1.2.1 is the source of my previous quote.

In rereading the guide mysefl it suggests something I have not done - compare indo export and us import numbers, which is the primary stated purpose of the... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (SpruceNubbleFarm) http://chondroforum.yuku.com/sreply/6582 Tue, 22 May 2007 13:55:14 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Annual Import Numbers ]]> http://chondroforum.yuku.com/reply/6581/t/Annual-Import-Numbers.html#reply-6581 feeds@yuku.com (cleve360) http://chondroforum.yuku.com/sreply/6581 Tue, 22 May 2007 09:00:52 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Annual Import Numbers ]]> http://chondroforum.yuku.com/reply/6580/t/Annual-Import-Numbers.html#reply-6580
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As someone that has the double one year thing - guaranteed for a year and always in my posession for at least a year before sale, I don't consider myself a "reseller/broker" in the way I have understood the term in the last 20 years.


Well it doesn't make you a breeder. In fact it is the exact definition of reseller. You purchased something that was being sold and... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (John Romano) http://chondroforum.yuku.com/sreply/6580 Tue, 22 May 2007 07:52:42 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Annual Import Numbers ]]> http://chondroforum.yuku.com/reply/6579/t/Annual-Import-Numbers.html#reply-6579
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So apparently, I didn't know what I was talking about until I work at a zoological facility....I mean, it wasn't apparent early on that I had at least a basic understanding and ability to formulate my thoughts on the subject?


Turthfully? No not really - the same basic reaction you had to my 6 weeks estimate is what I thought of your 6 month one. I didn't bother to find out... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (SpruceNubbleFarm) http://chondroforum.yuku.com/sreply/6579 Tue, 22 May 2007 07:18:48 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Annual Import Numbers ]]> http://chondroforum.yuku.com/reply/6578/t/Annual-Import-Numbers.html#reply-6578 ;)
Terry...The bigger the teeth, the more they can eat... :eek
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feeds@yuku.com (ChondroKeepers) http://chondroforum.yuku.com/sreply/6578 Mon, 21 May 2007 21:29:54 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Annual Import Numbers ]]> http://chondroforum.yuku.com/reply/6577/t/Annual-Import-Numbers.html#reply-6577
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Furthermore - your initial point was that you had produced a single authoritative number for the number of Green Tree Pythons imported into the US. The data guide that accompanies the information you provided disputes this and offers numerous reasons why the data can not be relied upon, why single authoritative numbers can not be generated,
Ross, where did you find this data guide?... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (cleve360) http://chondroforum.yuku.com/sreply/6577 Mon, 21 May 2007 19:56:00 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Annual Import Numbers ]]> http://chondroforum.yuku.com/reply/6576/t/Annual-Import-Numbers.html#reply-6576
Mark Robertson ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Cali Green Trees) http://chondroforum.yuku.com/sreply/6576 Mon, 21 May 2007 18:30:00 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Annual Import Numbers ]]> http://chondroforum.yuku.com/reply/6575/t/Annual-Import-Numbers.html#reply-6575 The point with everyone is that you come here stating fact...none of what you have offered is Fact...

Everyone here has backed up we said with fact...

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Terry - look - it is quite apparent that you desprately want to argue with me and "prove" me wrong and you aren't alone. Let me make it easier for you - you hereby win any arguemnt, I admit fully that I am wrong about whatever you think I am wrong about - will you stop this now and have an actual... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (taphillip) http://chondroforum.yuku.com/sreply/6575 Mon, 21 May 2007 16:38:24 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Annual Import Numbers ]]> http://chondroforum.yuku.com/reply/6574/t/Annual-Import-Numbers.html#reply-6574 Way to skirt the question.

Import means any animal not born in the US, and yes this includes Asia and Europe.

Farmed animals can still be exposed to bacteria, parasites and viruses that are in Indo. A lot of these farms use open air enclosures. So yes even captive born farmed animals are imported.

I am reminded of a case of some German import Meraukes some years ago that came in with a weird strain of RI. I worked with one of these animals in my mentor's... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (John Romano) http://chondroforum.yuku.com/sreply/6574 Mon, 21 May 2007 16:20:53 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Annual Import Numbers ]]> http://chondroforum.yuku.com/reply/6573/t/Annual-Import-Numbers.html#reply-6573 Michael
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]]> feeds@yuku.com (geckos70) http://chondroforum.yuku.com/sreply/6573 Mon, 21 May 2007 15:37:07 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Annual Import Numbers ]]> http://chondroforum.yuku.com/reply/6572/t/Annual-Import-Numbers.html#reply-6572 I will, however, randomly quote Ross (as I am apparently good at doing).
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You misstated the name of the authority and provided 3-6 months as the process time, which make me think you enjoy crack rocks
feeds@yuku.com (ChondroKeepers) http://chondroforum.yuku.com/sreply/6572 Mon, 21 May 2007 14:10:07 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Annual Import Numbers ]]> http://chondroforum.yuku.com/reply/6571/t/Annual-Import-Numbers.html#reply-6571
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I have also heard it from what I would call a highly reliable source that you do in fact purchase farmed imports for re-sale, even though you deny this in a previous post. Care to comment on that?


Well sure Marcial - I'd comment that you don't hesitate to call someone a liar in public and therefore probably need the safety of sitting behind your anonymous computer screen.... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (SpruceNubbleFarm) http://chondroforum.yuku.com/sreply/6571 Mon, 21 May 2007 13:20:28 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Annual Import Numbers ]]> http://chondroforum.yuku.com/reply/6570/t/Annual-Import-Numbers.html#reply-6570
You misstated the name of the authority and provided 3-6 months as the process time, which make me think you enjoy... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (SpruceNubbleFarm) http://chondroforum.yuku.com/sreply/6570 Mon, 21 May 2007 12:54:04 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Annual Import Numbers ]]> http://chondroforum.yuku.com/reply/6569/t/Annual-Import-Numbers.html#reply-6569 USFW uses form OMB No 1018-0093, their number 300-2 for any CITES animal so I'm not sure where the confusion occurs on multiple forms, please reference the different forms for different appendixes you refer to. end quote

Ok.... OMB No. 1018-0093 encompasses many different applications for different permits my friend.

300-2 does not exist. If you are referring to 3-200-3 which is an import/export licence. You must have this permit in order to be an importer or... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (taphillip) http://chondroforum.yuku.com/sreply/6569 Mon, 21 May 2007 12:21:09 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Annual Import Numbers ]]> http://chondroforum.yuku.com/reply/6588/t/Annual-Import-Numbers.html#reply-6588
I am by no means an expert on this subject, but to answer your question above, Terry has been 100% crystal clear since his very first post that the numbers he provided were for the NUMBER OF ANIMALS, THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF ANIMALS, LIKE, FIVE THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND ELEVEN GREEN TREE PYTHONS. NOT NUMBER OF PERMITS, NOT A COMBINATION OF PERMITS AND ANIMALS, NOT SOME IMAGINARY NUMBER OF SMUGGLED ANIMALS THAT "SOUNDS RIGHT TO YOU". THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF GREEN TREE PYTHONS... ]]> feeds@yuku.com (Marcial) http://chondroforum.yuku.com/sreply/6588 Mon, 21 May 2007 11:49:16 GMT <![CDATA[ Re: Annual Import Numbers ]]> http://chondroforum.yuku.com/reply/6587/t/Annual-Import-Numbers.html#reply-6587 feeds@yuku.com (geckos70) http://chondroforum.yuku.com/sreply/6587 Mon, 21 May 2007 11:01:30 GMT <![CDATA[ Annual Import Numbers ]]> http://chondroforum.yuku.com/topic/1883/t/Annual-Import-Numbers.html
In the post 9/11 world this data has gotten more difficult because it needs to be correlated (used to be single source) but there are several sources for it. Like all estimates it is an estimate, but close enough for discussion purposes (+/- 10%) These are my sources:

USFW Information Resources: 703-358-1729
 feeds@yuku.com (SpruceNubbleFarm) http://chondroforum.yuku.com/topic/1883 Wed, 16 May 2007 14:41:18 GMT